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Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 5:27 pm Post subject: Continuing Campaign to Destroy Slugshooters Forums


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Quote from: Dixie Slugs on May 25, 2007, 02:41:07 PM
Friends Alll...........I just bailed out of the Skug Sooting forum....and for good! This JC fellow has been pure poison back since the time he was moderator on the Slug Forum. Anytime I posted anything that did not match his concept......the deleted or edited my posts ....and then said to the world I was attacking him! It still goes on over there.
When ASSA took over the sponsership they had a real fractured forum! It has become even worse! They have lost quite a few people and will lose more.
The latest came about following a request from some members that Dixie take a hard look at Greg's high velocity load under development.... possible puttig it one the market, In a weak moment I agreed to see what could be built under our license......no way was that going to fly! Finally, I realize that dealing over there was a no brainer! Any reply I made to JC, I was accused of attacking him. I do not plan to pursue the High Speed Sabot Load.....period! I can imagine his responce to that. He even informed the forum that the small ammo company could never have the bucks to develop anything. Since all of the present designs started with the small guys like Bruce Hornady, Vernon Speer, George Nosler, Veral Smith, Lee Jurras, and many others.....I don't follow the thinking.
Anyway.....I just got tired of his BS, pictures, etc. Dixie will not support any forum or group that takes upon themselves to frag every post I make. I have a successful little company to run, a web page to keep up with also. Losing members is nad enough, but what will be worse for SGW is when they start losing sponsers because of crap such as that.
So......If anyone wants to talk to me....it will be here, at Dixie, or email at jcgates@bellsouth!
Regards, James

Hey Mr. Gates---Won't call you JC here!

Guess who's back on the SGW Slug Shooters forum, hacking away at Hastings and their new gun? Surprised to hear it's the same self appointed GURU of all gun knowledge? Yep JC Chartboy is back again, trying to prove that anything not Tar-Hunt or Hornady, or Partition Gold needs to be taken off the market, since HE knows everything except his high end Crap just won't do. Who the hell died and left this twerp with the keys to everything, anyway?

Bad enough he beat up on poor old OIG until he gave up being moderator over there, now the jackass is all over Hastings because their new 3 1/2" 20 gage ammo and guns don't serve any purpose according to Chartboy except to give Hastings yet another unfair advantage over everybody else, what with the ammo only working in Hastings guns, and all. (Forget that the new slug shoots the pee out of anything else in 20 gage, and most 12's too)

Can't even get THAT right. Thompson Center now has a 3 1/2" Hastings chambered Encore rifle, Rossi is starting to sell one, and I'll bet Chartboy's precious Tar-Hunt would sell their own, if somebody wanted to pay $5,000.00 for a $500.00 gun from them.

What a horse's a$$ this guy is. Why doesn't SGW just stuff a rag in his mouth and boot his young a$$ off the SGW website? Do you know anybody in authority over there? Might want to tell them this clown is ruining the board with his mean spirited posts. Hateful little snot!
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Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 7:15 pm Post subject: re: Continuing Campaign to Destroy Slugshooters Forums


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And now he has a couple of his lackeys doing a tag team match on OIG.
If the admins. don't do something about these hacks, SGW will lose another member. Me.

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Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 9:54 am Post subject: re: Continuing Campaign to Destroy Slugshooters Forums


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Scott, you're way out of line.

Please give it a rest.

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Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 12:54 am Post subject: re: Continuing Campaign to Destroy Slugshooters Forums


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Friends All....This entire situation has really gotten out of hand!
We need to stop and think what caused all this polarization and back biting?
I am surprised that Jay and Mars has let it go no this far? SGW needs "Hits" to make money. "Hits" sells advertising for SGW....simple!
I would like to suggest to Jay and Mars to form two new forums...."Sabot Slugs Shooting" and "General Slug Forum".
Then....the two adverse groups can have their own turf to play on.
This is the only way that SGW will keep from losing more memebrs...ergo more lost hits.....and maybe sponsers.
I have said before that I really have no problem with the sabot concept in areas where the hunter is trying to extend their range in Shotgun-Only-States!....it's just not Dixie's concept and does not represent our customer base.
I have no problem with Hastings, as Dixie adverises that we use only Hastings rifled barrels on our test guns. Nor do I have any problem with Hastings ammo being pushed anywhere as long as the data is fact!....and it looks like it is!
I am not being the Tail trying to Wag the Dog!...Bottom line is SGW will do what they think is best! At present Dixie pays SGW for the Dixie web page and also sponsers the SGW Reloading Section (and we are not the moderator!).....However, let it be quite clear....If Dixie Slugs (and myself) continues to be insulted, my posts deleted or edited out of context....I will be forced to go somewhere else!
I do not want to do that as I have supported SGW for sometime.
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Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2007 10:32 pm Post subject: re: Continuing Campaign to Destroy Slugshooters Forums


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Got into yet another foodfight with some of the TarBabies on the other board, and felt compelled to post a discalaimer concerning my "Commercial Interests" in reswponse to another attack. Seems necessary to post it here too, just so everyone understands the position. For the record, Slug Shooting and the ASSA are my interests, off the job. Coincidentally, the "day job" is also involved, at times, with ammunition development, firearms products, and sometimes involves working with, if not for, any number of Companies involved in the industry. We try to be polite to them all, and avoid beinbg negative toward anyone, as a practical business matter, and freely distribute information we gain from the associations, as long as the info is real, and accurate, and can be verified.

Here's the rest of that post/disclaimer from the other board:

By the way, about all this work being done to try to connect me with Hastings, and somehow make that a disqualifying aspect for me being taken seriously concerning slug shooting, etc.

Here's the disclaimer for today:

Neither I nor any of my Company's employees are now or have ever been employees of Hastings. My Company has done some good work for them in the past and we hope to do more in the future, since unlike some others who profess to have nothing to do with any "commercial" interests, we've always found it necessary to actually work for a living, and that requires customers and projects to work on for them.

Being publicists for any of our clients or presenting any false claims about their products or anyone else's is NOT any part of our business practice. We're engineers and designers, not advertising hacks.

I'd also invite any and all other manufacturers serving our little niche market to contact my Company anytime, as we're always looking for new design and build opportunities in a field we think we understand fairly well........

Anyone who has an unendurable urge to investigate me can simply visit the Company website at www.plasticexperts.com to see what that's all about.

For the record, in over 30 years in business, I've done design and development work for most of the commercial ammunition makers, including Activ, Lightfield and Hastings, among others, as well as a couple Companies that make firearms, worked as an armaments designer for Westinghouse Weapons Division, and designed and delivered products for NIST and a few other government agencies.

If all of this offensive commercial activity is sufficient to disqualify me from posting here, amongst so many who obviously must have learned so much more on the outside looking in than I could possibly have discovered by actually doing the work, then of course I can understand always being hounded off the forum whenever I say something about ammo or firearms.

Frankly, having to deal with the personal attack mode whenever I've got anything to say tends to get tiresome anyway. Seems wierd to me that anybody else with real experience, training, etc. gets a modicum of respect for the hard earned knowledge they are willing to share, but here, expert knowledge and the ability to be helpful to others because of it, just gets me "tarred" with the old "evil commercial interests" brush.

Guess the only ones qualified to post here must be folks who DON'T have the training or experience to actually know what they're talking about? Yup, anecdotal information and fairy tales from the deep woods where there are no witnesses just beat the wee out of proof house results and suchlike propaganda every time.

OK guys, rant is done, let's see if we can get through one day without having another thread twisted into yet another hangman's noose to try and use against the big bad OIG, Hmmmm?

Happy hunting, anyway.
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Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 8:09 am Post subject: re: Continuing Campaign to Destroy Slugshooters Forums


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Quite frankly, I think all of this is silly that a man has defend himself simply because he is involved in some aspect of the gun and ammo market! I also have no problem with someone that is involed discussing the products he knows and is involved with. Many forums welcome representatives from the big outfits discussing product data....why are a few singled out for flames?
Recently. I was told that a certain forum was discussing Dixie Tri-Ball and there were questions being asked. I went there and tried to answer some question....only to be told by the moderator that I should give free ammo to him and his buddies...because I was getting free advetising! It was simply someone using his power as a moderator to put the a bite on for freebies! I tried to explain on the forum, and in a pm, that Dixie did not supply ammo for "testing" unless we knew the qualifications of the shooter to test, the guns, range, etc....this caused him the "Banish" Dixie from that forum!
Now....Where does this all leave those that make ammo...it means someone that might not like the name on the box, might like some other ammo, or just resent the fact that someone just might know more than they do.....to lurk and flame the maker, who has no recourse to defend their product.
We must accept that there are people with an over-size ego on these forums that get a pleasure flaming those that post anytime that does not agree with their pet toys!!!!!!!!
They never develop anything, never design anything, never deal with the customers nationwide, only understand the limited area they operated in, need to plaster the forum with pictures, and only get satisfation of flaming someone, when they would not have the a$$ to say it to the face.
If......They are given moderator powers....the become little police and delete, edit, etc anyone that does not jump through their hoop.....they are small people indeed.
Regards, James
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Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 4:49 pm Post subject: re: Continuing Campaign to Destroy Slugshooters Forums


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What is especially wierd is that every discussion forum on the web sells advertising, board sponsorship, etc. to try to generate enough income to pay for all the nice facilities and services needed to operate, and then guys like us catch bloody hell about having the nerve to speak on the forums about products we understand inside and out. And of course the self appointed arbiters of what can be said and who is permitted to speak are the ones who never put up a thin dime to support ANY forum, anywhere. Guess things would improve if no one contributed to any of these boards, so all the purist elite could just chat amongst themselves, maybe with two paper cups and a string? Works for me.........

BTW, James, thanks for the support. All of us who actually work for a living, and coincidentally chat about some of our work from time to time, need to stick together, to keep all these boards from turning into pure gossip columns with a little gunpowder mixed in.........
So which little emperor banished Dixie? Sure would like to meet him on his forums, since wrangling with idjits has become a new hobby of mine..........................
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Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 9:43 pm Post subject: re: Continuing Campaign to Destroy Slugshooters Forums


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You may have hit on the answer....Money talks, BS walks! On Dixie Slugs, we talk about many products other than what we sell.....even muzzleloading.
Don't be concerned about the forum I mentioned, Dixie's Board of Advisors can/will resolve that problem.
I really see no problem of any ammo maker, whoever, discussing their product....as long as they do not try to discredit the other guys! Let the buying customer decide!
As you know, I have never put down any company selling sabot rounds....I have only said Dixie's concept was posted and was aimed at another hunting situation! We also have very high sales for ammo designs other that slug/bullet loads that are aimed at a wide market! We have some products under way that I think will be very interesting for smoothbore hunters that are looking for a way to shoot heavy slug/bullets....maybe by the first of the year. I really think there should be more concern about bullet performance on game than just velocity. There was one so-called new slug design that blew itself to grey powder at the Linebaugh Seminar. I did not publish that, but those there know.
At present it looks like it is open season on any of us the produce a product.....and put out bucks to support one or more forums!
Regards, James
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Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 8:03 pm Post subject: re: Continuing Campaign to Destroy Slugshooters Forums


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Thanks again for the moral support, James. If you're watching over there, you'll notice the foodfight continues. Guess the Admins have gotten so used to JC and his gang trashing me and you and anyone else who fails to drink their brand of koolaid that they just don't notice it anymore. Now I'm on notice that nothing I post will stand unchallenged, since JC has assigned himself the task of defending the forums against my "spam". Looks like the Alpha Midget is going to win this one, for now. I've used up all the polite dicourse I had stored up, keeping from going flamethrower on the guy, so I've marked the threads over there as "ignore", will continue here, of course, but not there. No point trying to mount and ride a dead horse.
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Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 1:47 am Post subject: re: Continuing Campaign to Destroy Slugshooters Forums


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Okay, new guy here, I don't even know if I'm tall enough to post in this particular thread and thus brush shoulders with giants such as yoursleves. When I say giants I'm talking about Galilio the great scientist saying the reason he was able to see so far ahead was because he, "stood on the shoulders of giants."

I too have what some may call a vested intrest. I reload almost all my own slugs and encourage others to try loading their own. I also don't look down my nose at guys still using smooth bores instead of rifled or those still using cheap foster slugs instead of sabots or such. Caution others to limit their range to what they know for sure they can do with their particular combination -- but that's about it.

Already been blow torched a couple times. Once for saying that guys hunting with smooth bores with only brass bead front sights in and of itself is not a bad thing If (yes I did use bold face in the post on the if) they can put all their slug holes in a paper plate at a given range and then limit themselves to that range or less when hunting. Deer vitals are about the same area as a paper plate --- if they can hit the plate with their combination and some practice, good for them. Fire storm started immediatly. Next someone posted about using regular old fosters in a rifled slug barrel and others were saying yah, you can do it but your going to need to clean out the lead from the barrel every so often. I pointed out that lead in the barrel is because of using soft lead slugs -- get harder lead and you won't have the problem. Either cast your own from WW or get some hard lead slugs like Dixie slugs. Kobooom !!!!! got it from both sides. One side flamed me for suggesting that anything less then sabots was acceptable. Other side flamed me for daring to agree that soft lead slugs will leave lead in the barrel and this was somehow undesirable.

Kind of anoying but I think I'll stick around even so.
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Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 9:05 am Post subject: re: Continuing Campaign to Destroy Slugshooters Forums


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Well, You have hit the nail on the head....polarization of opinions!
Now, if seems to me that there are different ammo/gun needs for different hunting situations....one just as valid as the other.
Dixie makes full bore ammo for one type of hunting situation....heavy and/or dangerous game within 100 yards....simple and we have posted that many times.
We have stated many times that we have no problem with the slug shooter trying to extend their ranges for thier hunting situation. Yet we have had our ammo called "Flying Bricks", etc many times by sabot shooters. We have, like you, told shooter/hunters that the soft slugs will fail on large boned animals. We have arived at the opinion from experience, not speculation!
There has to be an informative forum that all slug shooters can depend on for information....and that includes all slug designs for reloading and hunting!
More concern should be placed on the bullet's performance in game, rather than just trajectory.
We are so correct that the vitals are about the size of a 9" paper plate. In fact we have a 10" (5"thick) gong on chains that we have our customers shoot.
There are many fators that may have caused the sabot slug market to have peaked...states allowing handgun ammo/guns allowed, price increases, muzzle loaders, among many other factors. Many shooters are returning to smoothbores.
We are noe working on some designs that will give the smootbore shooters, that have choke tube barrels, a way to throw slug/bullets weighing 730 grs....with reasonable accuracy.
A.S.S.A is trying to develop various shooting games for fun/practice. One of their biggest problem is the cost of ammo!
In the long run, it will be the smoothbores that the fun shooters will turn to....at hunting range targets. A simple game where that shooter rings the 10" gong at 50 yards would be popular....and most cheaper slugs designs in a smoothbore would work for that. We have many that do that here on or range.
The reloader now has a wide choice of slug designs to chose from. He can plat around with various alloy slugs, lubes, wads, etc.
As I have said many times, and based on our orders, there ia another market growing bigtime....the everyday hunter that is buying a rifled barrel for their favorite smoothbore gun and shooting full bore ammo.....and these hunters are in All-Gun-States!
Just some random thoughts, James
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Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 10:04 pm Post subject: Define BONUS MEMBER Status on any site in this forum. ?


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So what do you get as a BONUS MEMBER ?...other than donating money to the SGW administration. Would just like to know.

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Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 3:56 pm Post subject: Re: Define BONUS MEMBER Status on any site in this forum. ?


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neophyte wrote:
So what do you get as a BONUS MEMBER ?...other than donating money to the SGW administration. Would just like to know.


There are some discounts made available to bonus club members from site sponsors. Should be a bit of a writup on the site where they are asking you to become a member. Best we can tell you from ASSA is SGW bonus Club Members get a private web page URL they can use to get ASSA Member deals on our stuff, even if they are only SGW, and not ASSA, members.
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Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 7:41 pm Post subject: re: Continuing Campaign to Destroy Slugshooters Forums


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Paid my money ....AND NOTHING !

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Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 11:08 pm Post subject: re: Continuing Campaign to Destroy Slugshooters Forums


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Neo,
Paid your money to SGW or ASSA?


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Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 6:53 am Post subject: re: Continuing Campaign to Destroy Slugshooters Forums


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No problem with ASSA I am a member there as well.Good guys I don't have any complaiants.

As for SGW I am still waiting. I took some chiding from a bonus member who scoffed at my request for an edit feature on this
site. In effect said to "put my money where my mouth was".
So I did and do you know what happened.....Nothing.
No Bonus Member Banner on my sign in......NOTHING !

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Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 9:06 am Post subject: re: Continuing Campaign to Destroy Slugshooters Forums


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Neophyte,
Reload your avatar and you'll have the bonus member thing on it.

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Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 3:23 pm Post subject: re: Continuing Campaign to Destroy Slugshooters Forums


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Thank you very much !

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Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 9:14 am Post subject: Re: re: Continuing Campaign to Destroy Slugshooters Forums


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jlptexashunter wrote:
Neo,
Paid your money to SGW or ASSA?


Ditto the question from this end. Please PM me about tis so I can get it sorted out for you. Given the usernames versus members names, etc. we sometimes cannot tell who's who, without further research. Whatever the issue I'm sure both SGW and ASSA are ready and willing to resolve it for you.
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